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The above represents what can be seen in a pigeon eye. Some other eyes also show "speed lines" which traverse the "circle of correlation" radially and not
circumferentially like the "distance lines". Other eyes may also show a "single tube iris" where the iris appears to be traversed by but a single blood vessel
rather than showing the hills and valleys created by many blood vessels which appear to form lumps.
One can clearly see how the What is the significance of it? Are these variations related to how well a racing pigeon flies or breeds as some claim or are they merely differences among individuals - differences like the color of their feathers, the shape of their heads, eye ceres or wattles, to mention just a few? |
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It is indeed remarkable how large the pigeon eyes are compared to the rest of the head and this is an indication how important sight must be to the survival of these birds. One moment of inattention and the pigeon becomes a meal for a predator of which there are so many in nature. Let us then have a better look at the structure of this eye: |
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Let us have a look at the "clusters" in both of these images, taken just seconds apart from the same bird. Besides their rapid "movement" please
note that the "cluster" on the left is much larger than the "cluster" on the right. A structure cannot grow and
shrink within a second to such an extend but this observation is consistent with the reflection of light from the
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| Sunday January 30, 2005 frank cesario Cesario Edmonton, Canada 198.53.102.18 | Thank you Karl, a wonderful piece of work on the eye sign explanation. |
| Sunday January 30, 2005 Wiebren van Stralen Bantega, The Netherlands 80.100.173.16 | Thank God, there's some actual common sense to discover on eye-sign. Thanx Karl for the effort put into explaining the parts of the eye, which some people believe to be 'signs' showing how brilliant their breeders/racers are (while in fact their imagination is 'brilliant') |
| Sunday January 30, 2005 Robert Lynch Tifton, USA 207.69.140.20 | Excellent interactive explanation of the various facets of eyesign in pigeons. I'm not sure I know what they mean with regards to selecting breeders of race birds, but it is a facinating subject. Regardless,I like to see in a wide circle of correlation, depth of color in the iris, and a pupil that constricts to a pin point. Thanks Dr. Karl for your excellent work and website. |
| Monday January 31, 2005 SUBRAMANIAN BALAJI CHENNAI -600002, INDIA 61.17.176.220 | I thank you for your explaination about eyesign which is in a modern and easy understandable way. It is a gift to young inexperienced fanciers like me who are very much interested in knowing eye sign theory. |
| Thursday March 24, 2005 faiz khalid 66 rue 10 mabrouka casablanca, maroc 81.192.181.120 | thank you for this infomations about eyes. |
| Tuesday May 24, 2005 yancho minchev varna, Bulgaria 129.240.182.126 | thank you for this infomations about eyes |
| Monday June 20, 2005 ARUN ANANDarunejanand77 BANGALORE, INDIA 61.246.58.134 | HEY.. CONGRATS ON THE AWESOEM SITE. EXCELLENT PHOTOGRAPHS OFTHE EYES AN DETAILS OF THE EYE CONTENTS. VERY IMPRESSIVE AND PRETTY USEFUL FOR FANCIERS AS THEY COULD NOW KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR WHEN WHN THEY BEGIN TO START THEIR RACING FAMILY. COOLS SITE. |
| Saturday February 25, 2006 Salman Rizvi Karachi, Pakistan | Great work...atleast to know about the basics. |
| Friday May 5, 2006 Mohd Samad Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh India | Thanks a lot for giving such a brief description about eye sign. It is very useful site especially knowing the eye signs. |
| Saturday August 19, 2006 gnana murthy chennai, Tamil Nadu 61.16.175.71 | Thank's Alberta For ur excellent work on pigeon's eyes, and their eye signs. This would be a nice tutor for the Pigeon Beginers. |
| Sunday September 10, 2006 naresh kumar Bangalore, karnataka 203.101.49.235 | hey this is naresh from cottonpet, i started this hobby from the age of 8 now i am 27 with same sprit, i feel this sight is providing good information about pigeon fancier.i am intersted in flying roller pigeons and training , any information about this please contact 09343713971 and e-mail nareshrollers@yahoo.co.in |
| Wednesday September 27, 2006 MYRON S KULIK LAND O'LAKES, FLORIDA ZIP 34638 152.163.101.8 | JOB WELL DONE KARL, ON THE EXPLANATIONS AS USED MOST IN NORTH AMERICA. THOSE COMMENTS POSTED AS MADE BY OTHERS FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES ARE GIVEN INCORRECTLY TO OUR LEARNING PROCESS ABOUT THE EYE, & ALSO OMITS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CIRCLES OR SAYS THAT IT IS OF NO VALUE. WHICH IS A BIG MISTAKE. FOR THOSE WHO WHICH TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE EYESIGN THEY SHOULD USE THIS PARTICULAR PAGE TO DO SO. IT IS BY FAR THE MOST CORRECT TO DATE, BUT, HAS MANY THINGS WHICH NEED TO BE ADDED FOR FURTHER LEARNING AND TO MAKE IT A MORE PRECISE AND ACCURATE PAGE. I HOPE THAT ONE DAY THIS WILL TAKE PLACE. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK WITH THIS TO FULLFIL AND EDUCATE THE MASSES. 9/27/06 |
| Tuesday January 23, 2007 karthick karthick r chennai, tamil nadu 61.246.93.241 | iam the beginner karl so can you tel me how to see these things from my eye . And can u tel me how to pair using these eyes |
| Saturday February 10, 2007 Khusainov Albert Kazan, Russia 81.22.208.110 | Friends, thank you for this information! |
| Friday April 6, 2007 Rizvan Khan Bangalore, Karnataka 63.150.149.227 | Hi Carl, To be honest I race pigeons, till date I was not sure what I was looking in the eye, Thanks to the article and your explanation you gave me a purpose to look at something. If you can help me more an selecting breeders and racers it will be great. Thanks a Ton. |
| Monday April 16, 2007 Arif Mohd Bangalore, Karnataka 122.167.142.65 | Awesome information. Thanks to the people who have worked hard to build this site and also to the people who has shared this great topic. |
| Friday June 29, 2007 sharath babu bangalore, karnataka 203.201.252.136 | hai this is very good info. eye signs can tell us how many breeds a pigeon has done in its life time- please let us have the information if you have. arif, rizvan, arun anand & Naresh we areall from bangalore and are pigeon breeders. my email is sharathbabum@gmail.com. we may meet up some day and exchange ideas. |
| Thursday July 5, 2007 andrew pace st; venera, malta 88.203.37.199 | congratulations great web site a lot to learn information. |
| Saturday July 7, 2007 Xtype Negro Diri, Gabel 72.36.200.210 | Thank you, was very interesting |
| Saturday August 4, 2007 satyabrata mukherjee kolkata, west bengal 61.0.136.105 | thanks for the information. |
| Sunday August 12, 2007 Syed Arif Bangalore, Karnataka 15.211.169.106 | Thank you for sharing this information...Great piece of work...But I think there is still a lot that needs to be learn... PPl from Bangalore, can contact me who are intersted in racing pigeon and eyesign... we will share our knowledge... my maild id syed4abap@gmail.com for further communication. |
| Tuesday August 28, 2007 pramod kumar bangalore, karnataka 122.167.158.22 | good information. I am from bangalore(india).I am tumbler fancier. please see my personal website www.freewebs.com/pramod8 my email pramod.h.m8@gmail.com my mobile no 9886036626 |
| Saturday October 13, 2007 NARESH KUMAR BANGALORE, KARNATAKA 122.167.7.91 | GOOD SITE |
| Saturday October 20, 2007 Arafat Rabbani Dhaka, Bangladesh 202.164.209.2 | Very helpful site. |
| Tuesday October 23, 2007 José Luis López Telde, Canary Islands 195.55.28.139 | Thanks a lot for nice information about eyes. Till now I used to look eyes but without any rule. I hope this change since today. Congratulations. |
| Saturday March 15, 2008 Balu krishna s YPR Bangalore, Karnataka 202.138.103.50 | Thank U a wonderful piece of work on the eye sign explaination. |
| Sunday August 10, 2008 vpr vishnu tamilnadu, chennai 59.92.60.176 | iam begginer to pigeon we are seen differnet type of eye sign we thanks to albertaclasssic |
| Saturday August 16, 2008 HASSAN SHAREIF CITY OF MADINAH, KING DOM OF SAUDIA ARABIA 84.235.43.76 | THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS INFO Please translate this INFO FOR Arabic |
| Wednesday August 27, 2008 Madhu H Bangalore, India 61.8.152.226 | This is a very good info thanks for sharing. |
| Tuesday September 2, 2008 elhoussin laqra khemisset, maroc 69.228.4.153 | thank you verry much.you did a good and useful work |
| Sunday September 7, 2008 irfan khan peshawar, N.W.F.P 202.83.164.226 | THS IS GREAT SITE ON THE NET please send me some informatin about top breeders i |
| Tuesday September 30, 2008 JOSE LUIS RODRIGUEZ LAVI JEREZ DE LA FRONTERA, ESPAÑA 84.125.239.164 | Muchas gracias por esta página tan bonita e ilustrativa. Muy interesante para entender este complicado sistema de selección de nuestras palomas,soy un forofo de este método. Un saludo. |
| Monday October 6, 2008 Jose manuel santos jose manuel España (Islas canarias), TENERIFE 81.38.157.10 | Felicidades por toda la información del ojo, tengo mas de 30 años estudiando la teoria, yo le propondría si tiene los medio suficientes para que estudie el 5 α las palomas campeones cuando lleguen de viaje al instante, para saber en ese momento cuantos círculos tiene. Un saludo José Manuel santos Tenerife |
| Friday October 24, 2008 derick streak kimberley, south africa 196.25.255.218 | what a boytjie.first guy i come across that knows something about eyes.all others ignore the inner circle in the pupil and that is more important than the old eyesign around the pupil.great pigeons all have strong inners,but not always have strong eyesign circles.what camera took this foto.great!!!please connect with me for correspondence |
| Wednesday October 29, 2008 marlon catungal pasig city, philippines 58.69.66.153 | thanks for the information about eye sign.. |
| Monday December 15, 2008 abid ibrahim sahiwal, pakistan 202.125.156.122 | THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS INFO Please translate this INFO in Urdu if possible, plz also give complete info about eye,s circles and colours of flying pigeons regarding breeding and flying. Hope you will reply? your Wellwisher! |
| Thursday January 22, 2009 seyed ibrahim chennai, tamilnadu 80.227.186.20 | I am Looking For Such One,Thanks For such a Beautiful Explanation Regarding Eye signs, Your explation will make me a champion in Future racing. |
| Wednesday February 11, 2009 Francisco Garcia Estrella Mexico, Guadalajara 198.36.95.10 | I LIKING THIS PICTURE THAT EYES IS GOOD THIS PAGE WEB. HELLO. |
| Friday March 20, 2009 Moises Taytay Pasay City, Philippines 202.78.65.4 | Thank you, for sharing this information |
| Saturday May 16, 2009 prabhuraj prabhuraj tamilnadu, india 115.98.38.76 | teach me about conditions of wings |
| Monday June 22, 2009 Praveen Lala K.G.F., KARNATAKA 202.91.78.203 | Hi This is lala from K.G.F. This site is good refrene to all pigeon Trainees and any other comonds u need please cal to my contact no : 9008113242 |
| Tuesday July 21, 2009 Seelan Abboo Johannesburg - South Africa, Gauteng 196.21.50.1 | This circle of adaptation was always referred to as "Cilliary Muscles" by all the "know everything" Eyesign specialists like Bob Flemming of the USA. I HAD RECOGNIZED AND USED THIS CIRCLE INSIDE THE PUPIL TO PICK OUT BREEDING STOCK AND GOOD RACER. I EVEN WENT SO FAR AS TO PICK OUT THE BEST PRODUCERS IN MANY LOFTS FROM AS FAR BACK AS THE 70'S /80'S. I EVEN PRESENTED DIAGRAMS, AND MADE REFERENCE TO THIS ON DISCUSSION WEB SITES FOR ALL TO LEARN HOW TO GET GOOD STOCK BIRDS FROM THE VERY BEGINING. THERE ARE A LOT OF FANCIERS IN SOUTH AFRICA THAT KNEW WHAT TO LOOK FOR INSIDE THE PUPIL OF A PIGEONS EYE AND I MUST SAY MANY OF THEM WANTED TO KEEP THIS A SECREAT AND DID NOT WANT TO IMPART THIS KNOWLEDGE TO THE NEW GENERATION OF RACING FANCIERS. THEY WERE SCARED TO GET BEATEN IN THEIR OWN GAME AND DID NOT HAVE THE B?LL? TO FACE GOOD COMPETITION. I AM SO GLAD THAT YOU MANAGED TO CAPTURE THIS ON CAMERA AND ILLUSTRATE BY MEANS OF DIAGRAM AND PHOTOS. NOW COME ON ALL OF YOU THAT BREED RACING PIGEONS TAKE NOTE AND GO FOR IT. IF YOU KNOW SOMEONE THAT HAS PIGEONS THAT BREED MULTI-WINNERS GO AND HAVE A LOOK AT THE PIGEONS AND LOOK INSIDE THE PUPIL OF SUCH PIGEONS AND YOU WILL KNOW HOW TO LOOK FOR BETTER BREEDING PIGEONS IN FUTURE. ITS NOT A SECREAT ANYMORE!!!!! IT HAS BEEN DISPLAYED FOR ALL TO SEE. |
| Wednesday September 30, 2009 andrew osayan angeles city, pampanga 203.87.176.13 | thank you for the information about the eyesign of racing pigeons!! |
| Friday October 30, 2009 allyass yassine rabat, morroco 65.49.2.18 | hellow , thx you man , its a good work , and im sure that using this information will help many people in the world to select thier cracks. thx again. |
| Sunday November 1, 2009 ARTEM MELIKIAN ESFAHAN-JULFA, IRAN 188.158.169.41 | THANKS FOR THIS EYES PICTURS IT IS VERY GOOD. |
| Wednesday November 11, 2009 Uday Kumar Bangalore, Karnataka,India 122.166.13.223 | Good site with complete information on eyesign's. Keep up the good work, Thanx again... I love tumbler pigeons****** Please feel free to visit my presonal site @ http://tumblerpigeon.webs.com/ |
| Tuesday December 8, 2009 kareem kareem thiruvannamalai, tamil nadu 123.238.9.102 | very good eye sign iwant roller eye sign js_kareem@rediffmail please |
| Sunday December 20, 2009 Mohammed Najeeb Sheriff Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh, India 78.100.108.71 | Good information about eye sign,thanks a lot |
| Thursday February 25, 2010 arun prasad Bangalore, Karnataka, India 164.100.80.37 | I thank and appreciate to say that this website is one of the best.the contents of the website are simple for the beginners to follow the racing and breeding birds. I was admired by this website and started my own website to help fanciers to follow other pigeons also I would like to thank Dr. Alberta and his Team for they contribution towards research on pigeon, Please continue to do better and better. We also want to know more about the other sickness in pigeons and treatment for them. |
| Thursday February 9, 2012 Arup Chattopadhyay Kolkata, WB, India | Excellent collection of research work on pigeon eye sign. The beginners will be benefited. |
| Friday February 10, 2012 Anoop S Trivandrum, Kerala | Thanking Alberta Classic team for this wonderful website dedicated for pigeons |
| Wednesday May 16, 2012 Muhamad al habib habib Indonesia, tribrata1 | Pemahaman tentang theory tanda mata ( eye sign ) memang sangat membantu dalam proses breding tahapan berikutnya.Ini pekerjaan sulit, namun sangat menyenangkan. |
| Saturday May 26, 2012 Arun Kumar Indiranagar Bangalore-38 (ARUN LOFT), Karnataka | Thank u Karl, this is relevant information for any Racing Pigeon fancier to know.......... |
| Saturday June 2, 2012 Alexander JayaChandran Villupuram, Tamilnadu | Thank you. Your comments were very helpful.Eye signs are really wonderful which were posted.Please keep posting many pictures.It will be very grateful if information is added frequently. |
| Thursday July 12, 2012 RIAZ KRPC BANGALORE, Karnataka | Good information, will help others to see what you look in the eye. RIAZ, KRPC 09632209785. |
| Sunday October 14, 2012 jacques denicourt canada, quebec | best of the best |
| Tuesday December 4, 2012Thank You for an excellent site and overview of the anatomy of the pigeon eye. Dr Ali Bouz Mitt-Ghammer, Dakahlia Egypet Drew | I like your animation for the eye sign and I would like to known through the eye sign the difference of short; miduam; long distance pigeons |
| Tuesday June 18, 2013 ramesh tiger vizag, andhrapradesh | very good informaion |
| Monday July 8, 2013 Bob Murphy Long Island, New York | Nice work Karl , but we all know the magic is in the pairing. Myron would have explained, the whys and how's ! A true teacher always shows , how the theory works and why. |
| Monday August 5, 2013 danie green brits, north west | I want to know more abouth the black smatch throut the irus |
| Tuesday August 13, 2013 Arif Majeed Islamabad , Pakistan | I like ur web site in which information is very good and describe in very detail |
| Saturday October 5, 2013 victor chauvet aberdeenshire, New Deer | The circle of adaptation has different shape between pigeons, try to mate pigeons with different type of circle of adaptation... |
| Monday May 5, 2014 Alan Rogers Belfast, Northern Ireland | Thanks for the info on eye sign, 5***** |
| Friday June 5, 2015 Shoaib Bagwan Pune, Maharashtra | Its Really nice study of pigeon keeper. |
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, | I am very fortunate to have some cocks and hens with an enormous folding circle inside the pupil (star type, 360degrees and 3mm wide), also from that same family some with a very wide circle and just part of the circle with the folds or no folds at all but very wide circle. My personal experience is that my best racers comes from parents that at least one of them has folds in that circle it doesn’t matter if it’s just a portion of the circle. Two plain and narrow circles don’t produce good pigeons, at least in my loft. Yes, when the eye is seen with a magnifying of at least 15x and if the eye is moved away from the sun light, it is clear how the eye unfolds or folds that circle…I am sure we’d all seen pigeons with a plain narrow circle that will reduce or expand the pupil when they are facing the sun light but they don’t have the folds. I try to breed from pairs that at least one of them has the folding on the circle or part of it, also I try to couple pigeons with circles that they have the folding area in different places, lying and standing, etc. If only one bird has a folding circle or part of it, and I don’t have the right match for it, I try to put it with a pigeon with a plain circle but as wide as I can. My experience is that from two birds with narrow plain circle their descendants are lost sooner or later, some of them on top of the loft, so I don’t breed that way anymore, nevertheless the parents did very well on the road/racing and they came from pairs described above. |
| Monday August 24, 2015 Fidencio Nino Busot, Mutxamiel, Alicnate | That is my humble experience; I am not a top notch fancier or the champion of the Scottish federation and I have not inspected thousands of winner pigeons. I am still learning and the competition here is really tough, the environment and the weather is the North Sea weather. The birds won’t race only with their eyes, they have to have, like any athlete, proper training, proper rest, proper food, experience!!!! (no young bird will go to Barcelona), health and motivation. |
| Friday November 3, 2017 Elumalai Elumalai chennai, Tamil nadu India | in adoption howe do it ideantyfe short,long distence and inner musels |
| Thursday May 24, 2018 Svetoslav Parvanov Vratsa, Bulgaria | Thanks for Thank you for the wonderful exposition! Until now, I had never met a wider discussion on this subject. I have knowledge and confidence already in my birds' judgment. |
