The game below is now part of history and was enjoyed by all participants. New games will begin in the summer of 2001. Please participate and see how well you can play them.
Some interest in eye sign was expressed in the Racing Pigeon Discussion Forum. It appears that some of our colleagues like David Rodgers can successfully pick the best birds out of a basket
and may therefore be gifted with a special talent. My question and the question of many skeptics is whether David and others use only the bird's eye sign to judge its value for racing or breeding or
whether other cues may be used. To eliminate any other possible cues, only pictures of the birds' eyes are supplied and it is my hope that many eye sign enthusiasts will try their hand at the following game:
Below you will find thumbnails of a number of eyes:
22 of these eyes inserted at random come from the birds of my friend Frank Cesario, the fancier to beat on race day for the past 20 years! (please note that we only fly 10 old bird races per year due to climatic conditions)
You will find the eyes of the following of Frank's birds:
88 - 2003: bred 4 first place winners at 400 miles
90 - 1061: won the 360 mile race. All his sons won a race, 5 of his sons were never out of the prizes!
92 - 222: 3 X 1st ; twice 1st ace cock
93 - 3027: 3 X 1st ; excellent breeder
96 - 4291: 4 X 1st ; good breeder, still on the flying team
83 - 20671: Never raced; has bred prize winners from 100 to 500 miles, including a 1st from 500 miles;
92 - 209: Numerous prizes from 100 to 500 miles; 7 times in the top 12 from 500 miles; excellent breeder;
95 - 28497: Super breeder from 100 to 400 miles;
94 - 1338: Super flier; first ace cock; 6 prizes as a 6 year old;
92 - 277: Steady flier and very good breeder;
95 - 1704: 1st ace cock; excellent breeder;
3984: 1st ace cock; still on flying team;
90 - 2533: excellent breeder; bred 1stace young bird;
4206: 1st 500 miles; still flying;
1794: 1st 500 miles; still flying; very good breeder;
43992: Excellent yearling; brother to 2 2000 ace young birds, one of which was 1st twice and the other 2nd twice;
1918: Excellent breeder; never flown;
92550: prize winner as a yearling from 400 and 500 miles;
2519: 6 prizes as yearling;
2518: 6 prizes as yearling;
2554: 7 prizes as yearling;
2669: 6 prizes as yearling; son of 3027;
Interspersed among the eye pictures of these birds above are pictures of birds who never flew or were not successful.
Clicking on any thumbnail will give you an enlargement of it.
Your challenge is to select the eye images of as many of the birds listed above as possible and write them down on paper. Copy it later here to this page and please add any additional comments.
You would be expected to be correct in 50% by chance alone. Anything better than 60% would be significant and would show that you can use eye pictures to select for flying or breeding ability.
The image number will be added at a later date to each bird in the list above to allow you to see for yourself how well you performed.
Sorry, this Eye Sign Game is now closed. A new one will open soon, at the latest with the Alberta Classic youngsters, at which time I can perhaps participate myself!
A heartfelt "Thank you!" goes to all the participants.
I know that I learned something and it certainly has been fun for me. I hope that you can say the same for yourself.
eye numbers:forgot eye 22 he goes with the top aces.
d. rodgers <daves house>
thornton, ont. - eye numbers:33,17,13,12,19,31,45,37. I like all of these eyes, I'm no eyesign expert but the eyes I've selected are very similar to my produces. I don't just use the eye to select my stock birds, performance, consistancy and an overall well balance with a striking eye are my rules I follow.
Sydney, Australia - eye numbers:1,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,12,14,17,22,23,24,27,29,33,35,36,41,43,44.
Frank Bidon <email@example.com>
Oshawa, Ontario - eye numbers:eye 13 and 45 are the best in the group.eyes 19/ 26/29/37/are outstanding ace pigeons.1a 4/5/38/ 27/6/7/12/34/35/36/38/43 are real good but pretty close to each other.i have listed my top choices. lets get shot. thanks for doing this dr. frank.everybodys having fun. david
d. rodgers <daves house>
thornton, ont. - eye numbers:2,4,5,6,8,10,12,13,17,19,21,24,25,26,27,28,29,
I believe I can pick eyes with the best of them, guess this will tell one way or the other. Luck everyone. Ed
Ed Dillon <firstname.lastname@example.org>
SpringCreek, Nevada, USA - eye numbers: 13,34,36,6,29,9,38,12,26,17,0,8,21,22,39,37,41,27,4,10,20,25
These are in the order I like them best, first 5 as breeders but I am no eyesign expert, just a beginner who reads alot and I expect from my picks will get laughed at alot.
Daryl Strayer <email@example.com>
Fort Qu'Appelle, Saskatchewan - eye numbers:1,3,4,5,6,8,12,15,19,21,25,26,28,29,30,31,32,37,38,39,40,45 are my top picks of the bunch. (like picking 649 numbers)
Terry Reimer <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Pinawa, MB - eye numbers:2,4,5,8,12,14,19,25,26,28,29,30,32,37,38,39,40
BENONI, GAUTENG - eye numbers:26,2,24,27,28,33,7,9,14,16,38,39,45,4,8,10,13,17,20,21,22,29,36
#26 - best
#2 to #33 equally next best (tied at 2nd best)
#7 to #45 next group (tied at 7th best)
#4 to #36 the worst of the best half (tied at 14th best)
Mike van der Jagt <email@example.com>
Orillia, ON - eye numbers:1a,2,3,6,8,10,12,13,16,17,19,25,26,29,31,33,34,36,37,38,39, 40
Wyebridge, Ont - eye numbers:0,2,11,16,19,28,33,35,45.
Andre lazarus <firstname.lastname@example.org>
CapeTown, - eye numbers:0,33,37,24,40,45,39,41,8,10,13,16,36,27,22,14,5,7,12,19,17,29,Iam not a eye sign man.These are my picks.
Norm Wells <email@example.com>
Moose Jaw, Sask - eye numbers:1, 5,4,6,7, 8,10,12,13,17, 18,20,21, 24,27,29,31,33,37, 39, 40,45 These are my 22 choices. I am not an eyesign man, but would not mind these in my loft. I like a nice eye but do not pay too much attention to it. Would have to handle the bird as well; may not like any of them after handling them.
Eastfield Loft-Clarence Oosterveld <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Cherry Valley, Ontario - eye numbers:
My choice of the top 4 breeders are: 13,19, 34,37 and the balance: 34,31, 2,14,17,26,21,29,7,9,17, 20,33, 0,6,10 and really going out on a limb that #13 is 20671 never flown.
Andrew Skarobot <email@example.com>
Bathurst, NB - eye numbers:33, 35, 26, 20, 06, 24, 27, 34, 38, 36, 22, 30, 45,43, 39, 41, 31 , 28, 26, 27, 21, 29,
Kettering, Northants - eye numbers:2,4,5,6,8,12,13,17,19,21,25, 26,28,29,31 ,32,35,37,39
bill butterfield <firstname.lastname@example.org>
mississauga, ont - eye numbers:
0+,1a1b+ (same bird?) 2+,3+,4-,5-,6+,7+ ,8+,9-,10-,11-,12+,13++ ,14-,15-,16++,17+ ,18+(f)19++ ,20-,21+ ,22+,23-,24+(wounded as a flyer),25-,26+,27++ ,28-,29+ ,30-,31-,32+,33+ (off 27?),34++ pied,35-,36-,37++ ,38-,39+ ,40+,41+ ,43-,45+ ,
this is my first perusal and done very quickly but this should be an eye-opener for the pigeon world,no pun intended.
Compass Loft <email@example.com>
Cardiff, ab - eye numbers:Stupid me i read the numbers wrong .Dave Ottaway forgot one number and took one off my sheet so he put his last one in wrong as well.Change 47 to 40 and 49 to 45 for Dave Booth and Ottaway will change 47 to 40 as well.
- eye numbers:0,2,3,5,6,8,9,12,13,14,15,17-(my pick),18,19,20,
Johannesburg, S.Africa - eye numbers:2nd1,2,4,5,12,10,8,6,13,14,17,22,26,25,21,27,39,37,41,45,36,47
Lefroy, , Ontario - eye numbers:4,15,17,13,24,18,27,29,38,40,23,22,20,25,33,35,37,39,41,47,49,42,these are my picks .as i dont know that much about eye sign,it will be interesting to see how i did . thanks for the opportunity to make a fool of myself . lol
dave booth <firstname.lastname@example.org>
lefroy, ontario - eye numbers:1(2),2,4,5,6,8,10,12,15,17,19,21,24
I am not an eye-sign guy, but would go with the following birds.
Johannesburg, S.Africa - eye numbers:0,2,5,8,9,11,13,14-(my pick),
I am no eye-sign expert, but these are my choices.
Johannesburg, S.Africa - eye numbers:0,2,3,8,10,12,13,14,15,16,17,19,21,24,25,29,30,31,37,38,39,45.
My favourites are:- 25,29,&21.
Ed White <email@example.com>
Pickering, Ontario - eye numbers: 1, 2, 8, 10, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 27, 29, 31, 37, 39, and 45 are eyes I would try in the breeding loft if the rest of the bird did justice. I would also consider: 4, 7, 12, 13, 24, 26, 33,35, and 38 if paired properly. Another excuse, but I found it very hard to get a feel for the depth or 3D of the eyes.....My own are getting worse.
Tom Makowecki <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Edmonton, Alberta - eye numbers:13,37,29,25,17,19,0,2,7,9,21,25.**29**BEST ONE
---34 WORST ONE IN THE GROUP
Bill Shuba <email@example.com>
REGINA, SASK -